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Issa Rae breaks down moments from the "Insecure" finale, including Molly and Issa's heart to center and why — after considering alternate endings — she decided to let her graphic symbol cull happiness. Plus, Rae details her regrets about turning South Fifty.A. into a Hollywood landmark, when she learned what non to share publicly, and how the success of "Insecure" has inverse her meetings with studio execs.

Yvonne Villarreal: Hi! I'm Yvonne Villarreal.

Mark Olsen: And I'm Marker Olsen, and you're listening to "The Envelope," the Fifty.A. Times podcast where we talk to top talent in TV and pic.

Villarreal: Marking, I have to say that today's episode is really bittersweet for me. On the ane hand, I'chiliad thrilled to take had a gamble to speak to Issa Rae fresh off the heels of the "Insecure" finale and ask her all my burning questions about alternating endings and surprise moments. But I'grand so pitiful because I can't believe it's really over.

Olsen: You know, it'southward funny. I'1000 not equally dedicated a watcher every bit you are, but every week when at that place's a new episode, my Twitter feed merely goes nuts, and I immediately follow along with the conversations where I experience like I sort of know something about the prove. I know that I believe I'1000 not supposed to like Lawrence, and that I'one thousand very upset with him for the way that he behaved at the going away party. And I mean, the show, information technology feels similar information technology'south not only just a cultural phenomenon, simply these feel like characters that take go like friends for people.

Villarreal: No, totally. And get-go, allow me simply say, if y'all accept those feelings about Lawrence at present yous need to watch the finale. And for those that haven't, this episode of the podcast has some spoilers, so get sentinel the finale and bookmark this conversation for afterward. Merely yes, to your indicate, the conversation around the show was such a cardinal part of the experience of it. And I don't recollect it's an understatement to say the show leaves behind a legacy with its assuming and authentic storytelling of flawed characters and the sometimes frustrating subtleties of adulthood. We all sort of watched this character grow up and become this self-fulfilled woman with career ambitions and meaningful relationships, messy relationships. And then to kick off this chat, I asked Issa about what it felt like to say goodbye to Issa Dee.

Issa Rae: In some ways, I experience like I'm non saying goodbye considering she's so much of me, specially with this terminal season. Nosotros have merged in so many means. But across that, similar her friends and her globe and her beloved life was actually but fun to play out, and a lot of the decisions that she made, even so messy, I got to play out in the stories that nosotros got to tell. And in my own life, I tend to be a scrap more than reserved with my choices. I honey chaos, but I don't go to human action on that anarchy a lot. And so I will miss that part.

[Prune from "Insecure": ISSA: That'south incredible! Ya'll are incredible. MOLLY: Tonight we merely focusing on you having fun and naught else! ISSA: Look at your quoting my quotes! MOLLY: One time for the altogether bitch! ALL: Yep!]

Yvonne Villarreal: Well, there'south and so much to talk about with that finale. Merely first, I have to ask, how did you country on using birthdays equally the device to sort of structure the episode?

Rae: I was really excited in coming up with that, just thinking near how nosotros wanted to shift time and obviously thinking well-nigh the airplane pilot episode. We're introduced to Issa on her 29th birthday, and this season in particular is most growth. So to exist able to showcase that through this device was exciting to me, in addition to just tapping into my own personal life and my friendships. As we've grown older, you know, our friends from loftier schoolhouse, and almost the only guarantee that we will kick information technology is on each other's birthdays. And there'southward a sadness surrounding that. It's just like, damn, we used to only congregate at any moment, any Friday. Similar that was guaranteed. And then you're kind of relegated to, "Well, I got your altogether, girl. Yous know imma show up for that." And so watching Issa and Molly's friendship kind of play out through that had a lamentable kind of tragedy that I wanted to explore.

[Prune from "Insecure": ISSA: Hello? MOLLY: Happy birthday! Bowwow I miss yous and so fucking much! ISSA: Bitch, me too!]

Villarreal: What went into the determination to stop with that telephone call between Molly and Issa, instead of, say, Issa and Lawrence or something?

Rae: I mean, nosotros've said it from jump. This is a story about Issa and Molly. Information technology's their love story, and is Issa's most important relationship. Nosotros accept seen that relationship go through and so many ups and downs and watched them be codependent, watched them rely on each other, watched them abound each other. And I think Issa and Molly have helped each other to become the women that they are. They take seen each other through so much. So, that phone call from Molly on Issa's birthday is the call that she's been looking forward to. Yeah, Lawrence has finally fabricated birthday plans, but Molly calling Issa on her birthday and hearing from her is the best present.

Villarreal: One moment that really got to me, especially considering the sort of ups and downs of their relationship is obviously when Issa is helping Molly with her wedding ceremony dress and Molly sort of turns to her and says, "Thank you…"

[Clip from "Insecure": MOLLY: Thanks so much for everything Issa. ISSA: Of course! There was no fashion y'all were gonna get outta that dress past yourself MOLLY: Nah daughter, for everything. Just for being you, for loving me while I was me.]

Villarreal: How did you determine where and when they would share that moment?

Rae: That was something that nosotros decided from the starting time of breaking this season. Like that was a scene that I visualized in my heed from jump as a mode to finish the series. That was like the only constant considering there is just something near ending the series on that annunciation from Molly and showing how much Issa has evolved as a friend to Molly. I recall that's something that nosotros've watched this season is why they are adept friends for each other. Molly has been through and then much and so much of her has wanted this picturesque wedding, to settle down with her hubby, but to have her friend past her side and to see her through that when it almost didn't happen means and then much to her. That was such a touching moment to shoot.

[Prune from "Insecure": MOLLY: and girl I don't know where life is gonna take us, but I do know, as long as you're around I know I'm gonna be OK.]

Villarreal: Well, now that we've talked virtually the real love story of this series, let's talk about Issa and Lawrence. I have to tell y'all, I actually did want them to go back together, but I too realize that they weren't good for each other up until that indicate. Like, were y'all conflicted nigh having them become dorsum together?

Rae: Hell yep, I was conflicted. I didn't want them back together at the start of the season, to be honest. You know, it goes back to when Season 4, Episode 8 aired. I was thrilled that people loved, but I had this, oh my God … at the pit of my tum, I was similar, "Oh my God, people are so happy for them and they accept no thought what'southward coming. We're about to devastate them."

[Clip from "Insecure": ISSA: Like with this new thing I'm working on. It'due south me creating happiness for myself I think. LAWRENCE: I similar you similar this. ISSA: Like what? LAWRENCE: Similar this. It'due south new! Keep information technology upwards it's a practiced look. ISSA: OK, alright. Enough.]

Rae: I didn't realize how excited people would be to meet Issa and Lawrence reunite. And even me. I was like, "Oh man, this did end up beingness a really cute episode."

Villarreal: Thank you, Natasha Rothwell.

Rae: And and so I was like, he got a baby. Admittedly not. And thinking most my own feelings and putting myself in her shoes and being protective of her, I thought she made the right decision. I all the same stand by the fact that she fabricated the right decision to intermission up with him.

[Clip from "Insecure": LAWRENCE: I just had to tell you. ISSA: So this means you're getting back with her? LAWRENCE: No! No. I told you! I want to be with you. ISSA: Merely you're having a babe with someone else! LAWRENCE: But I didn't plan this Issa! I don't — I don't want this to happen.]

Rae: And you lot know, we had different endings in heed. And as the season progressed and I became Issa Dee — you know, it'south one affair to write for her and then to go her — I constitute myself missing him. And I constitute that, in a sense, nosotros were denying Issa her happiness. One of our writers, Laura Kittrell, was merely similar, with that episode nosotros basically said that they're soulmates, and to deny Issa her soulmate is, in a sense, denying her her happiness. I think they needed that time to grow apart. Lawrence for sure needed that time to reconcile his relationship with Condola and to see the approving that Elijah was in his life and to grow on his own. And I recollect separately, every bit they had done before, they became set up for ane some other. I think so much of the themes of the last couple of seasons have been that happiness is a choice, and Issa daring to be happy with Lawrence felt fitting to me. But information technology was a journey. We both went on journeys.

[Prune from "Insecure": LAWRENCE: Happy birthday. ISSA: Thank yous. Hey Jah! LAWRENCE: He wanted to decorate. That right there says "Issa." ISSA: Does information technology? LAWRENCE: It could. ISSA: Thanks, Jah!]

Villarreal: Was in that location the scenario where she ends up with Nathan?

Rae: There was a scenario where she ended upwardly with Nathan, and there was a scenario where she came habitation and you heard a voice, but you didn't know who it was.

Villarreal That would take killed me, not knowing. I would have been like, "No! I need to know!"

Rea: Yes.

Villarreal: Well, as someone who spends the moments afterward each episode curled up with the Twitter comments almost it, people have intense feelings almost their relationship, as I'one thousand sure you know all besides well. Has it surprised you how strongly people experience about this dynamic?

Rae: I mean, yeah. It surprises me, just it doesn't surprise me. People project so much of their own feelings onto these characters, which is part of what makes the evidence what it is. Prentice and I and the writers had discussed at length how much we know people are going to have and then much to say about Issa's decisions, and they always have. Only at the stop of the day, if you want what'southward best for these characters, these characters have chosen what's all-time for themselves, and yous can only be happy for them.

Villarreal: Well, to get back to your point most Issa choosing to exist happy and daring to be happy, her ending is really hopeful. She'due south experiencing success in her career, her friendships, her love life. She's feeling better nearly her self-worth. What was the thought process with deciding how Issa's arc ends?

Rae: This was always a series nearly a daughter who's trying to effigy out who she is and where she'south going. And Prentice and I e'er discussed that this would be a journeying of being secure in your insecurities and comfy with not knowing what'south going to happen, comfy with the uncomfortable. I think Issa has reached that point. Some of the literal circumstances may be the same, merely she has evolved so much, and that's where I wanted her to cease upward.

[Clip from "Insecure": ISSA: I keep thinking about all information technology took to get here. You know? Doubting myself, going dorsum and along about what I desire, being scared to waste my time and expect stupid in instance none of it worked out. And then I realized that information technology was all in my caput. You know, no ane was doubting me except for me.]

Villarreal: Well, speaking from experience, as someone who puts a lot of thought and attention when I'm writing a piece — particularly one I really care nigh — I agonize over the menses of information technology and how I'm ending it. And once it'south published, I however think most it, and I think to myself, "Man, I actually should take found a manner to work this in" or "I wish I idea to include this." Was there anything that you wish could have made it into the finale that didn't?

Rae: In the penultimate, one thing that I kicked myself over — you mentioned Natasha Rothwell, who is brilliant, so is Neil Brown Jr. — and we had a setting with Kelly and Chad in the same room. We recorded something, simply information technology didn't fit. But to be able to not have a moment with the two of them is something that I will be kicking myself over for a while.

Villarreal: Well, looking back on the last decade or so, that line when Issa says, "I merely want to fast frontward to the part of my life where everything is OK," I mean, that felt like it came straight out of my internal monologue. Simply is that a idea yous had ofttimes back and so or even still now? Like, how much are you literally seeing yourself and talking to yourself in a scene similar that?

Rae: Absolutely had that thought back then. As a affair of fact, that is my line. I recall proverb that in my college days, in my New York days, very bankrupt New York days, trying to figure things out with things going wrong and only being similar, "My God, tin I merely fast frontward to the role where everything'southward absurd and I know what I'thou doing?" I oasis't had that thought in a very long time, but I definitely, you know, still pore over decisions that I'm making and recollect virtually the outcomes and consequences of the things that I'chiliad doing. And similar I said, sometimes that comes from a place of fear and comes from a place of a reservation where I don't necessarily want to be. Sometimes I desire to make the dumb determination and see where that takes me. Simply, that feeling that you're running out of time and that y'all can't afford to make these mistakes or tin can't beget to take these particular detours increases as y'all get older unless you lot go through a mid-life crisis and you're like, "Fuck information technology," but I haven't reached that point yet.

Villarreal: I think I've reached that point. I hateful, you've come a long way. Information technology goes without saying, since the "Bad-mannered Black Girl" web serial days. How would you describe what it's been like navigating your rise?

Rae: I mean, people tend to mythologize my journey, and I think upwards until recently I was so in it that I didn't really realize how long it's been, how far it'due south been. But yep, this x-year anniversary of "Awkward Black Daughter" and thinking near fifty-fifty … I'thou working on a new bear witness chosen "Rap Shit" with this showrunner who came from "Insecure." Just before "Insecure," we worked on 1 of our very first pilots. And, you lot know, nosotros were having a conversation on fix and she was only kind of reliving her assistant days of just like, "Oh my gosh. The hole dial. Like why don't people pigsty dial the scripts in this style? Similar I remember, we had to hand hole punch." And I was like, "What the fuck?" I was just like, "Damn, you're showrunning this evidence at present, and you were just hole punching our scripts 5 to vi years ago." I guess through her, information technology just dawned on me, yous know how far nosotros've kind of all come, and and then it forced me to take a step dorsum and but exist like, "Oh human being." Like, I call back when I was doing this and wasn't certain what my path was going to exist or how this was going to end up. I remember walking a couple of blocks downwards while we were shooting the airplane pilot subsequently hers and getting the phone call from HBO that they weren't going to movement forward on the script that Larry [Wilmore] and I had submitted. And that was the final opportunity for him to withal exist a part of information technology. And merely, y'all know, like getting that phone call, walking off set up to the side of the route and just crying similar, "What the fuck am I going to do? I've spent all of my money on these pilots. I put all my eggs into this HBO evidence handbasket, and I'm going to lose this showrunner. What am I going to practice? Are they ever going to pick up this show?" You know, everything ended up working out, but those moments are so scary to think of like, there was one bespeak where I didn't know that this was going to be possible, and now it is.

Villarreal: Was information technology difficult to not surrender on the possibility of this?

Rae: I don't know that giving up was an pick for me because I felt similar I did take traction. I was similar, "Come on." And so I would try to find some other chapters, but I don't know that I idea nearly completely giving upwardly. But I definitely was frustrated and was for sure out of money and was thinking about what my options were.

Villarreal: What did your parents say?

Rae: I really called my dad, which I don't know why I would phone call him, because he is Mr. In that location'southward Ever School, you know? I call up maybe I wanted to hear that too, to jumpstart the idea that I did not need to give up or to know that there was an alternate path. I don't know only he was very much … not dry, but dry. Like, "Information technology's OK. It'south fine." And I was like, "I don't even know why I chosen you. OK, let me become back to set and just effigy it out."

Villarreal: Well, I'g sure it didn't feel like information technology to you at the fourth dimension, but it'due south almost similar you did press fast frontwards. Was it difficult navigating the glory aspect of it all? Like, was there a moment when it striking you that you couldn't practise something similar go to the grocery shop without someone trying to snap a photo of you?

Rae: Not really. I mean, I can for sure still get to the grocery store and I tend to be aloof, only for the most function, I e'er describe it every bit just beingness popular in loftier school. Like, that's what it feels like. It doesn't feel similar Beyoncé, Rihanna level. And then everything is very grounded for the most part, and non much has changed.

Villarreal: But your life is much more public at present. People are curious most you. And I've heard you say that you lot regret divulging so much about your personal life in your volume, which was published before "Insecure" even premiered. Why is that, and what practise you regret?

Rae: I'm not really a fully open up person, and my mom and my family have always taught me that family business is family business. And I think with that volume, I was, treating it like it was kind of journal entries in a manner. I think that for me was a learning lesson, and that was hardly being a celebrity by whatsoever means, but that volume, people read information technology. And it is besides but stuck in a moment of time, and people who read information technology now assume that that'south yet me and non writings from when I was 24 to 27. That bothers me, and until I write something else, I'm frozen in time for people. And I'thousand non actually proud of some of the things that I've shared where my family is concerned considering that is their business. Even though some of those moments shaped me, I only would not do that again.

Villarreal: Well, how did it sort of inform how yous wanted to approach the Issa grapheme on "Insecure" in terms of how much inspiration to take from your life, and what lessons did you lot learn when applying that to this character?

Rae: I recollect I was less reticent to tap from my own life to Issa Dee because it's nevertheless fictional at the stop of the day and we're creating these scenarios. We're too taking from the experiences of a lot of the writers in the room, and we're telling a story. It's not seen as autobiographical, then sure I'll lend this story from my life to Issa Dee, I'll lend these feelings. It'south non as literal. Then much of what I write is taken from moments of my life, but information technology's just the thought that information technology'due south not necessarily attributed to but me that I detect solace in.

Villarreal: Do you lot call up you'll ever accept another character named after y'all?

Rae: No. For what? No, I'1000 good. I learned a lesson there. That was, equally nosotros've discussed, by accident. So I'll just be smarter about character names. Less lazy.

Villarreal: It just makes it hard for me. Like, I experience like you're wondering when I'm talking almost you or the character. I feel similar I should say, "Issa Dee, Issa Dee, Issa Dee."

Rae: What I will say is information technology's helped people to pronounce my name correctly, for the most part. Fifty-fifty though I still get people like, "Isa! I dear "Insecure," and I'k like, "OK, sure yous do."

Villarreal: I go people that say, "Yevonne," and so possibly I demand to write a bear witness with a character named later me to become people to say it correct.

Issa Rae That's the key.

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Villarreal: At present that you've made it and accept a seat at the table, what would you say has inverse about meetings with Hollywood executives?

Rae: Just more of a willingness to make what I want to brand, to buy when I'm pitching. On the down side, I love constructive feedback. I love actually smart executives and I have constitute that the more successful people remember you lot are, the more scared or hesitant they are to criticize your work. And I promise that people that I work with, my artistic partners in the time to come, are never scared to exist like, "Hey, this ain't it," or "Let'southward think most trying to develop this a scrap more than." And I've seen that happen, and I've nigh had to beg to be similar, "No tell me this is trash, and tell me to do better. I'one thousand happy to."

Villarreal: Yous got to keep Prentice on speed dial. I'chiliad sure he volition remain that person for you.

Rae: I hope, but he's busy. He's got a g projects. Merely yes, I definitely accept. I've definitely hit him up even for this new show. Similar, "Hey, you want to come up on board? You desire to come up direct something real quick?" And he's like, "I've just finished working with you. Please."

Villarreal: Are y'all finding that "Insecure" has moved the needle in terms of showing Hollywood executives how valuable these stories are? Like, are yous still being brash to add together more white characters to the side by side projects you accept going on?

Rae: Definitely not. And yeah, I have seen how it has moved the needle. I've seen how it has influenced other studios to greenlight certain projects, and I am proud of that. You know, in the same fashion that the shows that came earlier me. I know very well that there is no "Insecure" without Shonda and "Scandal." I know that possibly in that location is no "Insecure" without even "Girls." Stuff like that isn't lost on me. Then I see how Hollywood virtually needs permission to be like, "Did this work out? All right. OK. Nosotros tin can gamble on this." But I definitely credit the Shonda movement.

Villarreal: Thank you, Shonda

Rae: Give thanks you, Shonda.

Villarreal: Well, another function of the show's legacy that many have reflected on, including our ain paper, is the mode the show has sort of rehabbed the epitome of South Los Angeles past really showcasing its beauty and depth. And in the end, Issa is living with Lawrence in a beautiful home in Leimert Park. What did y'all desire to say with that detail?

Rae: I think that was more than just my ain dream. Like, that was me putting kind of my own utopia in Issa's final journey. And aye, I live where I grew up, and I'yard happy to alive here. You know, I remember being a kid riding my bike through my neighborhood and being like, "I want to alive here when I grow up. I want to come back." And to be able to exercise that is such a blessing, it blows my listen. Even now, when I walk past my childhood home like, "This is crazy that I was actually able to do that and manifest that." And I wanted that for Issa Dee too. Nosotros both intendance about L.A. and our customs so much that, to me, my happy ending is her happy ending. Or happy start, I should say.

Villarreal: Happy kickoff. I like that. There's this sweet moment in the finale where Issa is driving around and seeing all the people and places she used to frequent, and at that place's the moment where she drives by the Dunes complex and a dad is taking his daughter's photograph outside. And I remember talking to Prentice ahead of the premiere. We shot him exterior the Dunes, and he was saying how they had to stop because fans of the show were parked out there trying to take photos in front of information technology. Did it cross your mind that something like this would happen when you were scouting locations for the evidence, that it would bring people out to see the community in this style?

Rae: Absolutely not. That was such a pleasant surprise, that people take fabricated the Dunes similar a Hollywood landmark. You know that that was Thug Yoda, past the manner, taking a picture of his girl. We had to ship him out properly likewise to testify that he's still banging on the block. But, it's so cool. Like, I actually just went to Trader Joe's a couple of months ago and the cashier was like, "Girl, you the reason it's always traffic in forepart of my street." And I was like, "What?" She was like, "Yeah, I live by the Dunes." And I was similar, "What? I'grand deplorable." And she was like, "Aye, people stay taking pictures in forepart of it." And so I was like, "OK, my bad." And and so I was similar, I want to drive to run across myself. You know, I become tagged in photos every single twenty-four hour period with people taking pictures in front of information technology, merely I wanted to just go drive by myself to see if people were doing it. And certain enough, there were just people outside, and at that place was depression-central a little line of people just gathering and posing in front end of the Dunes. And I was like, "Damn poor residents," and that's like my own video of them posing. I was looking disrepair. People were like, "Why didn't you go out?" And I'm like, "Because I was looking busted" and you know people are going to exist like, "Hey, can we get a film?" Or they were going to exist like, "Excuse me. Can yous become out of the way so I can take a motion picture of the Dunes?" And so, I didn't desire to risk that. Simply one day I volition become dorsum heavily made up and happen to prove upward.

Villarreal: But how exercise y'all experience about irresolute the fabric of the customs in that way, like, as yous said, making Hollywood landmarks out of these spaces and maybe changing them forever?

Rae: If you mean in the sense that it'south on people'southward radars in a way that makes it culturally significant to Black people, I'thou very proud. If you mean in the sense that now people want to motion hither and alive here that aren't necessarily made up of the fabrics of this customs, and then I have regrets. I've definitely gotten blamed for the influx of tech bros and Hollywood communities wanting to motility hither. In that way, I'm like, "Oh, damn. That was not the intention." I just wanted to showcase how beautiful our neighborhoods are. Simply I do love that at to the lowest degree the testify will be a time capsule of the fact that these were very Black neighborhoods and proud Blackness neighborhoods.

Villarreal: Yeah. Well, from the first of your career, you wore every creative hat. You lot're the star, the author, the creator, the director. In the five years since making this show in the more traditional TV space, is there one matter you miss nearly the homegrown style of making content?

Rae: Yeah, definitely. The rawness. I yet kind of miss that. Yous know, every bit much as I do love to collaborate, and I love the process of development, part of me still misses just making stuff and putting information technology out in that location and the depression expectations of people. You know, the ingenuity of merely trying something and seeing how it works. Now, because I accept a proper name, there is a certain standard that's expected. Sometimes I wish I could erase that. Yous know, perchance I'll come upward with a pen proper name or something. I don't know. But I do miss just being able to create stuff online and put it out there to see what happens.

Villarreal: Well, you've mentioned that you're working on the series with City Girls called "Rap Shit." What tin you tell united states of america almost it? Any large updates you tin can share?

Rae: Nosotros simply wrapped the show, and I'm but actually excited. It'southward ready in the indie music world and it's a completely dissimilar earth, a very unlike story of yet friendship, simply trying to make it an industry that doesn't come across it for you lot. And then in some means, there are parallels to my own journeying, just the music world is then different and twisted and crazy, as I'm learning myself.

Villarreal: Did you worry once "Insecure" wrapped whether you lot would find dear again with a show? Like, could yous feel the aforementioned way about something?

Rae: A footling bit. Less when I was writing this testify, because I was withal shooting "Insecure." But after wrapping "Insecure" and crying with Yvonne, Jay and Prentice and the crew, I was just like, "Damn, I wonder if I'll ever feel similar this once again." And it's merely dissimilar. Y'all know, I'thousand not in "Rap Shit." I'm very, very hands on, but I'm not on camera, and I already see that there's just a different dynamic. It really excites me to see the actors of that show bonding, and hopefully their experience will be what ours was, and they'll have a rich feel. But I don't know what kind of feel I accept that comes shut to that of "Insecure." That'south a lesson that I've learned. No prove is going to exist like "Insecure." I'll exist chasing that feeling, simply I know what ingredients make for a positive working experience, and I can at least strive to that.

Villarreal: Yep. Merely you lot also take a five-year overall deal with Warner Media. You have an audio company slash record characterization, multiple cafes, a pilus-care make. Is it safe to say Issa is building an empire, and is there a goal that unites all of these endeavors?

Issa Rae: That'southward an excellent question that I'thousand going to ask myself in my yearly reflection. Dead serious, that's something they just yesterday I was like, "What am I doing? Hey girl, what are yous doing? What practice you want?"

Villarreal: Mind, it's all I call back nigh with myself on a daily footing. What are you doing?

Issa Rae Yep, and I think it's important to enquire yourself if you want those things and how badly y'all want those things from twelvemonth to year and to exist honest with yourself almost it. So the answer is I don't know yet. I'm very much enjoying what I'chiliad doing, only I think thinking about the bigger picture and how long I want to practice all of this is really important.

Villarreal: How exercise you lot promise people write about or talk nigh this show in xx to maybe thirty years? Similar, what is a dream quote from someone who revisits your piece of work in say the L.A. Times or something?

Rae: I hateful, it's twofold. I desire people to say, "This is my favorite evidence, and that this show is a part of their favorite memories, and also that I inspired them to create their ain show, their own book, inspired them to just write in general. That is absurd to me.

Villarreal: I take no dubiety that that will happen. But I have to ask, you're familiar with Hollywood and the obsession with reboots and revivals, is at that place a world in which you would e'er revisit these characters in like 10, fifteen years?

Rae: In a reboot form? I don't think so. I've been saying a strong "no" to movies and all that. I love leaving things as they are, as kind of a legacy. But as similar a reunion? Without a dubiety. I want to see everybody again.

Villarreal: I desire a "And Simply Like That…" of "Insecure."

Rae: No yous exercise not. No yous practise not, Yvonne. Please.

Villarreal: Yes, I do.

Rae: It just concluded. You did non want that. And I don't.

Villarreal: Issa, don't do this to me. You have to promise me we'll come across them in their fifties, please.

Rae: Goodbye!

Villarreal: She went silent. I'k going to spend the next decade trying to convince you lot.

Villarreal: And that'south a wrap on the terminal "The Envelope" episode of 2021. I'grand Yvonne Villarreal.

Olsen: And I'm Mark Olsen. If y'all're enjoying the testify, don't forget to follow "The Envelope" wherever yous go your podcasts. And while y'all're at that place, why don't you get out us a rating and review?

Villarreal: This episode was produced and edited by Heba Elorbany and Jazmín Aguilera, with production help from Asal Ehsanipour and engineering by Alex Higgins. Our theme music was composed by Mike Heflin. Special thanks to Matt Brennan, Geoff Berkshire, Elena Howe, Shani Hilton, Clint Schaff, Richard Hernandez, Chris Price, Amy Wong and Ross May.

Olsen: We'll be dorsum next week. Run across you so.

The Team

The Envelope podcast is hosted by Mark Olsen and Yvonne Villarreal; produced by Heba Elorbany and Asal Ehsanipour; edited by Heba Elorbany and Jazmín Aguilera; engineering and theme music by Mike Heflin; audience strategy by Samantha Melbourneweaver, Amy Wong, Chris Price, and Christina Schoellkopf; marketing by Richard Hernandez, Tova Weinstock, Patricia Gardiner, Brandon Sides and Dylan Harris. Special thanks to Shani Hilton, Clint Schaff, Matt Brennan, Geoff Berkshire, Elena Howe, Glenn Whipp and Daniel Gaines.

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Source: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/awards/story/2021-12-26/the-envelope-issa-rae-insecure-finale-alternate-ending

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